Mixed Martial Arts as Interdisciplinary Street Fighting?

Introduction by Howard Gardner

For the last few years, I have been blogging regularly—and most of my blogs have fallen into one of two categories:  1) the ways in which humans synthesize information (link to series here) and 2) updates on the theory of multiple intelligences (MI theory), link here.

Thanks to the extraordinary work by my colleague Anthea Roberts,  I now have the opportunity to tie together these  strands of my work. As described in Anthea’s recent contribution (link here) to my blog on synthesizing, over the last two years, she and I have begun to explore our complementary perspectives on this hitherto underappreciated cognitive capacity. Most of my work has entailed an effort to describe the cognitive processes involved in synthesizing and/or to analyze examples of synthesizing in different spheres and sectors. In complementary fashion, Anthea conceptualizes synthesizing as akin to the multiplicity of perspectives that the synthesizer brings to an assignment, and she invokes the vivid metaphor of a dragonfly’s eyes. Drawing on the work of psychologist Simon Baron-Cohen, Anthea proposes that broadband synthesizing can be instructively contrasted with the kind of systematic, but narrow thinking that characterizes individuals on the autism spectrum.

Now, applying an unexpected and surprisingly apt lens, Anthea introduces the kind of synthesizing that is carried out by her brother, Denis Roberts. At one time an expert in traditional martial arts, Denis has devoted years of study and practice to the creation of a pluralistic variety of martial arts—one that draws on capacities and processes that were once restricted to only a single form of bodily expression.

Anthea’s blog speaks for itself, vividly! But perhaps unexpectedly, it also draws in illuminating fashion on the cognitive processes that characterize what I’ve termed “bodily-kinesthetic intelligence”—one of the eight cognitive capacities that comprise my theory of multiple intelligences. And so, in equal measure, her essay constitutes a contribution to my second series of blogs—the resource associated with MI theory.

By Anthea Roberts*

© Copyright 2023 Anthea Roberts

Although it might come as a surprise to some given my general nerdy pedigree, my brother (Denis Roberts) is a no rules cage fighter. (For those with a strong stomach, you can see his first fight here.) Despite superficial differences, however, Denis and I have a lot in common. We both developed an interest in dispute resolution, though we invested time in perfecting very different techniques. He trained as a fighter, I went to law school. We both have a desire to traverse boundaries and break free from disciplinary constraints, though the restrictions we react against are different. He ended up fighting across disciplines, I joined an interdisciplinary school. To use a characterization appropriate for this posting, we are both synthesizers or dragonfly thinkers by nature, but these tendencies manifest in different ways.

In the United States, “no rules fighting” goes under the name Mixed Martial Arts (MMA); it is often done through competitions like the Ultimate Fighting Contest (UFC). As opposed to drawing on the techniques of one fighting discipline, and being bound by the rules of that discipline, MMA permits fighters to draw on techniques from any fighting style to beat their opponents. No rules fighting is a bit of a misnomer, it turns out. MMA provides a few basic ground rules – e.g., no strikes to the back of the head or spine and no eye gouging – but, other than that, fighters simply bring whatever skills they have to the fight to try to gain the upper hand. MMA is probably the closest one can get in a formal competition to a street fight though, importantly, no weapons are allowed.

As apparently characterizes many MMA fighters, my brother has done training in numerous fight disciplines. He is internationally competitive in some (demonstrating excellence) and capable in others (demonstrating sufficiency). When Denis began his training in the early 2000s, he was doing kickboxing with a kickboxing coach, jujitsu with a jujitsu coach, wrestling with a wrestling coach, and boxing with a boxing coach, etc. He was struck by this fact: in each discipline, the coaches and participants revered particular approaches but seemed ignorant about others. They often had very little knowledge of other fighting disciplines and typically looked down on other approaches as inferior—at least according to key measures on which their discipline excelled. Each discipline had its own strengths, but was also beset by blind spots and biases, he thought.

Although my brother enjoyed training in each discipline, his natural tendency was always to try to take it up a level. He instinctively wanted to transcend disciplinary boundaries, seeing himself as a fighter, not as a kickboxer, jujitsu specialist, wrestler, or boxer. He was struck by how a given discipline might teach you one thing, such as punching, while leaving you vulnerable to another, such as having your legs taken out from under you. He was also drawn to thinking of ways to creatively integrate insights from different disciplines. What if you combined this move from kickboxing with that move from wrestling? What if you started a move with a jujitsu technique and then moved seamlessly into a boxing move?

In many ways, my brother’s journey has paralleled the journey of MMA fighting. MMA was introduced in North America and Japan in the 1990s as a way of allowing different fighting disciplines to face off against each other. Before that, there had always been a question about which fighting discipline was the best and which would win out in a street fight. But this sort of conjecture remained just that – conjecture – because there was no way of putting the issue to the test. Indeed, when fighters from different disciplines came to meet each other in the early UFC cages, many hallowed theories about which disciplines and techniques were the most effective proved to be wrong, while other little known approaches proved highly effective.

At first, the Brazilian jujitsu artists dominated the UFC due to the power of their little known submission holds (excellence). Then the wrestlers learned enough jujitsu to avoid these submission holds (sufficiency) so that they could remain in the game long enough to take full advantage of their wrestling takedowns; the wrestlers could then use their size, strength and athleticism to take the fight to the ground and pound their opponent from on top (excellence). In time, kickboxers came to learn enough about jujitsu and wrestling to be able to defend against takedowns and submissions (sufficiency); accordingly, they could keep the fight in their preferred standing position for longer from where they had an advantage (excellence). People debated which discipline was the best fighting discipline, with the mantle moving from jujitsu to wrestling to kickboxing in waves (Mastering Jujitsu, 41-46).

But then something interesting happened.

Instead of MMA becoming a place where people from different disciplines came to fight each other to see which discipline was best, the best MMA fighters started to do cross-training to develop and integrate skills and techniques from a range of different disciplines. The question was no longer which disciplines was the best. It was now which martial artists who employed which particular combination of skills and talents was best. MMA transcended the individual fighting discipline from which it arose and became a testing ground for integrative approaches that traversed disciplinary boundaries. It became a place where we started to see synthesis occurring in real time … and sometimes with real consequences. 

My brother’s favorite coach is John Danaher and, after watching, listening to and reading many of Danaher’s words, I can see why. Famous in the jujitsu and MMA world, Danaher left his PhD in Philosophy at Columbia University to train jujitsu fighters and some of the early MMA champions, including Georges St-Pierre. Coming from a strong academic family, Danaher has a piercing intellect and a gift for teaching, and has done a lot to transform jujitsu training and the sport of MMA. In a profile published in Vice, John Serra, a former UFC welterweight said: “I would 100 percent call John Danaher the Einstein of Brazilian jiu-jitsu.” A New Yorker profile on Danaher described him as MMA’s equivalent of Hannibal Lecter: “scary smart, superbly calculated and logical.”

John Danaher: image from Ju Jitsu Times

John Danaher: image from Ju Jitsu Times

With this unusual combination of brains and brawn, Danaher was quick to realize that something special and different was happening in MMA. He has compared the early days of the UFC to the discovery of the New World in terms of its impact on Brazilian jiu-jitsu and MMA. Before the UFC, he explained, “[t]here was no open competition, no place to test theories—it was just people’s opinions floating around.” But the UFC gave a “rock solid mechanism to test the various theories of the martial arts. To test the mettle of the various athletes, so we could form solid conclusions about what could work and what doesn’t work.” And, importantly, what worked were integrative approaches. Victory did not belong to a particular style of fighting; it belonged to the athletes who could best exhibit the art of synthesis.

As Danaher recalled in a podcast:

“During the early years of UFC there were debates about which martial art was king, with different martial arts coming to the fore at different times, but: all that was leading towards this idea that the real truth wasn’t that any one martial art was king, but rather that the skills of all the martial arts synthesized would be king. And that there would be a day in the future where we really could stop talking about style versus style and started talking about athlete versus athlete. And I remember looking at this VHS of George St. Pierre and saying, that’s exactly what this kid is, this kid’s the future. Like he’s not a jujitsu player, he’s not a wrestler, he’s not a kickboxer. He’s the average of those three things. And I remember just [thinking] this kid’s doing something really, really interesting. He’s the face of a new kind of martial art, like mixed martial arts is different from its components. And something revolutionary is happening here.”

As Danaher explained in a podcast with Joe Rogan, a UFC commentator,

“99% of people who look at mixed martial arts see mixed martial arts as an eclectic sport, in other words it’s a conglomeration of different martial arts kind of banded together and then you got mixed martial arts.”

But to Danaher the key wasn’t multi-disciplinarity, it was interdisciplinarity where different skills were integrated into new skill sets that transcended the martial arts that traditionally made up MMA. What turned Georges St-Pierre into a world champion wasn’t that he was the best in any individual discipline, Rather, he was able to seamlessly integrate and synthesize them. Inspired by his approach, Danaher proposed a schema of four distinct skills (shoot boxing, clinch boxing, fence boxing, and grapple boxing) where the whole is more than the sum of its parts: each

“skill area transcends the various martial arts that make it up and create something bigger and different from the core components that originally built it.”

I am struck by my brother’s story and Danaher’s description. It feels eerily like my interests in interdisciplinary research, dragonfly thinking and the synthesizing mind. Like my brother in his early days of fight training, I spent my early days at university observing different disciplines that seemed to have their own rules, hierarchies and measurements of skill and achievement. I enjoyed training in different disciplines (originally law, philosophy and mathematics), before eventually picking international law as my focus.  After a while, however, I felt constrained by that field and approach and became more interdisciplinary, drawing on economics, sociology, political science and psychology to think about global and governance issues more generally. I was drawn to thinking about problems in a broad and integrative way, and to developing schemas or frames through which to understand complex and contested fields.

When I think about the early days of UFC, I sometimes have the following thought: what would have happened if you had put economists, epidemiologists, sociologists and political scientists into a ring at the start of a complex problem like COVID-19 and told them to “fight it out”? You could have the top economists and epidemiologists in the world, I think, but they’d soon have found that the best answers lay in integrating insights from across different disciplines rather than in one discipline consistently offering what they deemed to be the knockout blow. That is because each of the disciplines offers important insights, but also tends to be subject to its own blind spots and biases. To be sure, it is important to have world leaders in each discipline and we learn a lot from their deep, if narrow, expertise. But something highly original as well as useful can come from integrating and synthesizing insights from across disciplines to deal with complex real world problems.

In MMA, the different fighting disciplines realized that they had something to learn from each other and, in the process, created something new that transcended the original approaches. As an interdisciplinary researcher interested in synthesis and integrative approaches, I suspect I have something to learn from MMA. As universities try to make sense of what interdisciplinary or transdisciplinary research means, and how it differs from and goes beyond multidisciplinarity, MMA provides a useful case study in another field for thinking through these issues. And as we are try to engage in complex real world problems that resemble interdisciplinary street fights, I try to remember that the trick is not to be world class in every aspect of that problem, but to find the best ways to combine excellence in some areas and sufficiency in others to find creative combinations and connections while avoiding blind spots and biases. It seems to me that that is an approach that is worth fighting for in today’s academy.

For previous discussions on these ideas and/or for comments on earlier drafts, I am much indebted to Christian Barry, Jarrett Blaustein, Miranda Forsyth, Howard Gardner, Ryan Gillett, Denis Roberts, Meredith Rossner, Jensen Sass, and Jon Schwartz.

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*Professor at the School of Regulation and Global Governance (RegNet) and Director of the Centre for International Governance and Justice, Australian National University. Email: Anthea.Roberts@anu.edu.au.

AI & MI: Artificial Intelligence and Multiple Intelligences

By Tom Hoerr

“What are multiple intelligences?” I asked ChatGPT, the new artificial intelligence (AI) technology.

Within a few seconds it said:

“Multiple intelligences are a theory of intelligence developed by Harvard psychologist Howard Gardner in 1983. It suggests that there are eight different types of intelligence: linguistic, logical-mathematical, spatial, bodily-kinesthetic, musical, interpersonal, intrapersonal, and naturalistic. Each type of intelligence is associated with a different way of processing information and solving problems.”

Wow, yes, within a few seconds.

And why is this relevant to MI?

MI is all about problem-solving. Howard Gardner defined intelligence as the ability to solve a problem or create a product that is valued in a culture, and each of the multiple eight intelligences encompasses a different set of skills and talents.

 ChatGPT, a technology that can follow instructions in a conversational prompt and provide a detailed response (as it did to my question), is also about solving problems. The concept of MI was revolutionary when Frames Of Mind was published in 1983. Today, the potential of AI captures our mind and activates our imagination. Typing ChatGPT in Google yields 855,000,000 links in .065 seconds.

How do MI and AI interact? Or do they?

First, let’s be clear, we already routinely deal with some AI-MI which we likely take for granted. Some salient MI-AI examples:

  • Linguistic: AI automated answering services. “Is that a real person?”

  • Logical-mathematical: AI chess or other game software. “I was check-mated again!”

  • Musical: AI playlists which emanate from our previous choices. “I don’t need to seek the songs I enjoy.”

  • Spatial: AI GPS directions. “Remember the AAA Triptik?!??

  • Bodily-kinesthetic: AI autopilot is coming. Check out “Robotic Limbs Moved By the Mind” in this 60 Minutes feature (click here for link).

Of course, just as performing a complex task requires using many intelligences, sophisticated AI acts require an amalgam of MI. For example, when buying something online (something I do far more than I should), the website features linguistic and spatial information about the products. Then, after I have purchased, I get a message that says, "Since you purchased X, you might be interested in Y and Z." The employees used their interpersonal and intrapersonal intelligences to conceptualize what a buyer of X might now want. Then they used their logical-mathematical intelligences to program the site.

But this is old news. As noted above, I did a small trial and asked ChatGPT “What are multiple intelligences?” The accurate response was based on readily accessible information and was generated within a few seconds. Then I posed a bit more complex question, “How can multiple intelligences be used?” Again, the lightning-fast response was accurate, although a bit superficial:

“1. Use visual aids such as diagrams, charts, and pictures to help students understand concepts. 2. Incorporate music and rhythm into lessons to help students remember information. 3. Use role-playing and simulations to help students understand abstract concepts. 4. Incorporate movement into lessons to help students stay engaged and learn.” And so on for each MI.

 I decided to be a bit contrarian and asked, “What about the opposition to MI?” ChatGPT said:

“The opposition to multiple intelligences theory is largely due to the fact that it challenges the traditional view of intelligence as a single, unitary construct. Critics argue that the theory is too vague and lacks empirical evidence to support its claims. Additionally, some argue that the theory is too broad and that it fails to account for individual differences in intelligence. Finally, some argue that the theory is too focused on the individual and fails to consider the social and cultural contexts in which intelligence is developed."

That response shows a bit more sophistication – particularly the last sentence – but simply regurgitates criticisms that have already been stated. The speed of the response, again within a few seconds, is very impressive.

To elicit a response that isn’t already lodged in libraries, I asked, “Can happiness be smelled?” The ChatGPT response:

“No, happiness is not something that can be smelled.” That’s true but I would expect a human with a bit of sophistication to continue, perhaps with, “No, happiness is not something that can be smelled but we surely associate some scents with happy feelings – freshly baked bread comes to mind as do popcorn and cookies.”

Of course, there’s an entire perfume industry.

The ChatGPT technology possesses some intrapersonal intelligence. When asked about its limitations, it responded:

“ChatGPT is not capable of solving problems that require complex reasoning or understanding of abstract concepts. It is also not capable of providing advice or making decisions for users. Additionally, ChatGPT cannot provide accurate answers to questions that require a deep understanding of a particular subject or domain.”

 Relatedly, very relatedly, I asked if ChatGPT could ascertain emotion. It replied that it cannot and said,

“ChatGPT is a natural language processing (NLP) system that is designed to generate responses to user input. It does not have the capability to detect or interpret emotion.”

Technology continues to advance at an astonishing rate (remember floppy computer disks?), so presumably the superficial response capacity of AI will increase so that answers will become more intricate. Imagine 100 Jeopardy champions crammed in a brain, spouting out facts. That’s impressive!

A Jeopardy game, however, is not the real world. The mastery of information and facts that it values ignores the nuances of life and complexity of human relationships. Nowhere are the categories of interpersonal or intrapersonal intelligences found on a Jeopardy board and ChatGPT shares that limitation.

Artificial intelligences using multiple intelligences (AI-MI) to solve problems will continue and, indeed, exacerbate. But I’m dubious about the ability of AI to read and understand people’s emotions; I’m doubtful that AI will be able to feel and generate empathy. I cannot imagine AI effectively serving as the personal intelligences.

At the New City School, we believed that each of the intelligences is important because they tapped into different human capacities. We infused MI throughout our curriculum and pedagogy to give students more pathways to learn. But we also said that we believed that the interpersonal and intrapersonal intelligences are the most important. Today I capture this by saying

“Who you are is more important than what you know.”

That is not to denigrate scholastics; kids need to learn to read, write, and calculate. It is to say that the personal intelligences – the ability to work with others and to know yourself – are the strongest contributors to success and happiness. I saw this in the progress of our students.

When we think about how our students must be prepared to succeed in the future – recognizing that we must prepare them for success in life, not to just do well in school –the importance of the personal intelligences, SEL in today’s nomenclature, is very clear. ChatGPT and its successors will dominate the routine. Our students still need to learn the 3 R’s, but we cannot stop there. We must teach them how to solve complex problems, including working with, learning from, and appreciating others.

What’s your take on AI-MI? Does the increasing pervasiveness of worry you? I would love to hear from you.

Tom (a real person)

Republished with permission from the newsletter: Intelligences Connections Volume 32, Number 5 (click here to subscribe).

Artistic Genius in Performers and Dyslexia?

Howard Gardner received some questions from an Italian PhD student/stage director on the nature of artistic genius in performers and a possible link to dyslexia. The responses from Howard Gardner and also Ellen Winner, a psychologist with an expertise in this area, respond below.

From Fiorenza Ippolito

I am an opera stage director and a doctoral student in Spain. I am working on a research project involving your studies to define talent and what we might call the "artistic mind" in artists and performers. 

We investigated the need to have an audience and asked ourselves the below questions.

  • Why do some people feel more comfortable with the following:

  1. Using an avatar or persona

  2. Individuating different perspectives at the same time (a character, stage director, composer, audience member, oneself)

  3. Building coherent units between different sectors to communicate an idea

  4. Understanding and expressing sensations, emotions, or feelings on stage using these methods: 

    a) emotional memory - experienced or known situation (application of emotion) 

    b) impulsive reactions (application of de-control) 

    c) images for each word (application of mental images visualized without control)

  • Might dyslexia or other learning differences make a difference? Is an artistic genius usually dyslexic, and if so, could the genius be to see things that others do not see? 

  • If we identify a series of talents necessary for actors, is there an area of the brain that is related to the need to communicate to an audience? 

  • Is there a mind or similar for overcoming the difficulties of a disability that we can apply to non-disabled people and operate exchanges in intuitively understandable languages without the need for adaptations? 

Thank you very much for being the person who has been able to see beyond the normal. I am dyslexic and I belong to the generation of those who have been considered scholastically unintelligent and evaluated as "mentally retarded" experiencing school failures. Thank you for giving me the possibility to be an intelligent person.

Howard Gardner’s Response

Thank you for your very thoughtful letter. You are raising very good questions, and have some promising “hunches.”

I am no longer working in the area of the arts. Your thoughts are plausible BUT it is too easy to claim that artists/actors are better or worse in some areas than non-artists and non-actors. For one thing, many kinds of people become actors, for many reasons. And one can succeed or fail as an actor in many different ways. Nor do we necessarily have good tests for the various kinds of abilities/disabilities that actors/non-actors have or lack. So, in many ways, it is still the “Land of Anecdotes.”

If you were my student, I would encourage you to focus on one kind of artist or actor, and see whether in individuals with that profile, there are consistent strengths or weaknesses in 1-2 other cognitive areas.

As an example from another domain, I happen to be quite musical. I am also good in languages but terrible in visual-spatial thinking and in bodily-kinesthetic expression (except for playing the piano or typing this note). But are these regular correlations? I very much doubt itand you could only answer that question by looking at a few dozen musically-gifted persons and a few dozen individuals who are quite non-musical, and see whether there are convincing correlations.

If you were successful in answering this question (let's say that musicians happen to be good at learning languages but poor at solving mazes), you would then have a model for how to study this kind of question. In any event, I wish you good luck with your studies...and your artistry!

I have passed on your letter to my wife, Ellen Winner, who is an excellent researcher in this area, and her thoughts are below.


FROM ELLEN WINNER

There’s some evidence that actors have (and also develop) more perspective-taking and empathy (on paper and pencil tests) than non-actors. Actors suppress their own identities when taking on characters. Please refer to the articles here and here.

Thus far, there is no evidence that people with dyslexia are superior in any domain compared to those without dyslexia. However, there is a lot of anecdotal evidence of people with dyslexia showing high talent in visual-spatial areas. Therefore, we can at least say that dyslexia does not work against talent in visual-spatial areas; one can have both talent in visual-spatial areas and dyslexia.

This case study does show that actors dissociate (click here.) My former doctoral student, Maria Eugenia Panero, also has some evidence that actors are more hypnotizable, have more dissociative traits, and experience flow and empathy during performances.

Are Some Intelligences Superior to Others?

By Howard Gardner

I recently received an inquiry from an undergraduate student, Cuinn Lopes, who wanted to know whether some intelligences could be considered better than others.

He asked as follows:

“Based on what scientific evidence shows, should we believe that there are superior forms and inferior forms of intelligence; for example, should we believe that mathematical intelligence is superior to linguistic or kinesthetic intelligence? … Are there forms of intelligence that are more or less intelligent than other forms of intelligence?”

MY RESPONSE

This is a good question. My short answer is NO—there are no forms of intelligence that are crucially or essentially, more intelligent than others. Like beauty, intelligences are in the eye of the beholder.

Example: To gain admission to Harvard and other prestigious colleges in the 19th century, one had to demonstrate mastery of ancient languages—Latin, Greek, and sometimes Hebrew.

Nowadays, we smile at that because it is clear that mathematical-computation abilities are more valorized at the start of the 21st century.

But if in your lifetime, common algorithms such as ChatGPT (or its descendants) prove to be much better than we humans are at logical-mathematical operations, we may instead valorize bodily-kinesthetic intelligence or intrapersonal intelligence—no one cares about how computational systems would do on those dimensions.

Also, while we do not have validated tests for all of the intelligences, any teacher knows that excellence in one intelligence does not predict excellence (or disability) in another intelligence.

There may be some general capacities— like attention, or reflectiveness—that cut across the intelligences, but this possibility is essentially independent of the question that you raise.

I would also refer you to my previous blog post, “Are All Intelligences Equal: An Issue Raised by Cormac McCarthy’s Recent Novels” (link here). In this

What Happens to Human Intelligence If AI Surpasses Us?

Howard Gardner was recently interviewed by Athanasios Katsikidis of The New York Times and the Greek daily newspaper, Kathimerini, on the subject of multiple intelligences and AI. Read the interview in Greek (link here) or English (link here) to find out his views on the end of the Anthropocene era or dominance of human beings on the planet, and what will happen to human intelligence and creativity when AI surpasses us in many areas.

For the Greek version: click here.

English version: click here.